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  True religion???

  by Cindyrenee in

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  is there a true religion?

  is there a religion that really puts god first, that really cares about its followers, that really adheres to bible principles?

  i have no hope anymore.

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  drew sagan

  Dictionary.com gives us two ways to think about "religion"
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  1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
  2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
  
  Man made religious structures are all the same, they end up in #2. Someone differant is putting on the baloney but it all makes the same sandwitch.
  I'll stick with #1
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  Has Jehovah already won..are we just waiting to see how?

  by DavidChristopher in

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  does anyone have thoughts on this?

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  drew sagan

  Ok, everybody sing along.....
  
  Brooklyn burns in the
  
  Hot Sun
  
  I fought the Jah and the
  
  Jah won
  
  I fought the Jah and the
  
  Jah won
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  Cross of Stake?

  by jojochan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was watching " the passion of the christ" with my cousin the other day, and while she did reply that it was a snuff film to say the least, she was moved by the film.

  one thing of course she and i split on was the issue of cross or stake, which has been disscussed on this board many times.

  but not to start a debated because i was intoxicated off schnapps i simply replied," what if i showed you from the nwt somthing to think about?

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  drew sagan

  How about...
  Cross of Steak! Mmmmmmm Pass me the A1 sauce.
  
  Sorry but I just couldn't pass up that joke. The Bible told me to do it. (Prayers of Meat 24:114)
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  Revelation It's Grand Climax at Hand! - bookstudy

  by TheListener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading e-watchman today and someone there is saying that after studying the what does the bible really teach book at bookstudies the next book will be the revelation book!!!.

  there isn't any real proof, but the poster claimed a letter from bethel stated this.

  perhaps some here can dig around and confirm or deny this new rumor.. we've studied it 3 times in the past and it's been awhile.

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  drew sagan

  prophecor said
  
  "Pardon my ignorance, but what are some of the things that no longer hold water in the book?"
  
  I would suggest sitting down and actually reading the book. It made some pretty big claims that I don't even think they would be willing to do today. It's like every time somebody sneezes there is a prophecy that the Watchtower fullfills. The book spends so much time putting emphesis on the Watchtower that it is more of JW pride book rather than an explanation. It was also written druing the hype of the 80's, new world order, communisum, ect. It's just not written for todays JW crowd.
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  Revelation It's Grand Climax at Hand! - bookstudy

  by TheListener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading e-watchman today and someone there is saying that after studying the what does the bible really teach book at bookstudies the next book will be the revelation book!!!.

  there isn't any real proof, but the poster claimed a letter from bethel stated this.

  perhaps some here can dig around and confirm or deny this new rumor.. we've studied it 3 times in the past and it's been awhile.

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  drew sagan

  I agree, the Revelation book will probably never be studied again due to the fact it is so outdated. They have allready begun to reprint the book in softcover, with no changes.
  The only possibility is if they get a "revised" sheet that goes along with the book. Which would be a joke in itself. I think they will move into a more tame publication that takes them up through the end of the year when they will start on some new book released this year at the conventions.
  By the way, does anybody know what the new "provision" is yet?
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  WT library idea

  by coffee_black in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some here have original copies going back to russell's time.

  would it make sense to have a resource library available where we pool what we have?

  i have quiet a lot...it's sitting in boxes in my daughter's garage in florida at the moment, but i can get it at some point.

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  drew sagan

  I don't want to burst anybodys bubble but you CAN get all of the Watchtowers EVER on CD-ROM. Copy and paste this link
  http://www.researchapplications.org/
  They have got it all. They are wonderful. I think freeminds.org is selling them on sale. Hope that helps you guys out.
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  Text Critical Notes

  by peacefulpete in

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  check this out: the originality of text-critical symbols in codex vaticanus.

  i found very interesting the mark in john 7 possibly suggesting the presence of the adultrous woman story in some early copy available to the composer of the codex vat.

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  drew sagan

  Thanks for the referance, it was a good read. I still haven't made up my mind as to if the story in John 7 was in the book originally, or if it was added. What do you think?
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  Did anyone hear the expression- If it was`nt for Jehovah I wouldnt stick it

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  where i live it`s common to hear the brothers/sisters say 'if it wasnt for jehovah i wouldnt be here' - refering to the fact that they are fed up, sick of everyone and they are only staying in the truth for jehovah.

  it is normally uttered after a fight in the cong or when someone has done something bad/brought bad publicity etc.

  naturally, it is said with a dgree of head shaking.. does this not contradict the idea of a worldwide, supportive & loving brotherhood exsisting among jw's?.

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  drew sagan

  I've heard that before. My question is, if not doing it because of other people then why organization at all? The people are still keeping you there, even if they like to humor themselves that they are not. Even those who have get dissillusioned usually blame on the local brothers and how the situation is differant in other halls (so they think).
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  The wonderful answer: WOJ

  by mustang in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yep, waiting on jehovah.

  this statement has really good potential as a "catch-all" phrase.

  it is a useful palliative and "anti-inflammatory"; it's general but agreeable vagueness is magnificent.

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  drew sagan

  perfect advice. It will be used wisely!
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  JW writing committee: Incapable of seeing the irony!

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  the march 1 watchtower's cover asks the question, "where can you find christ's teachings?".

  meanwhile, in the very same magazine, we get 2 study articles containing the following:.

  -- which type of video & video game to avoid.

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  drew sagan

  I don't have the book with me, but in the beggining of the chapter about Jesus it basically talks about how learning about Jesus is much more than simply knowing his name.
  If you read the paragraph and then insert the name "Jehovah" all of the pride they take in the name goes right out the window. I was simply amazed that they used this kind of reasoning, especially since they put so much importance on the name Jehovah simply because it isn't as well known, but since the name Jesus is well known they come at it from a differant angle, the same angle that critics of the Watchtower point to when discussing their emphesis of the name Jehovah.
  
  Did that make sense? I'll post what the book says when I get home, that might show what i'm talking about.